Grind Retention: What, why and is it a big deal?

Grind Retention - Baratza Sette 270 Espresso Grinder

If you have ever read a home espresso forum or hung out long enough with coffee geeks, inevitably the term "grind retention" will arise. It is a fascinating subject - that combines a bit of engineering, physics, and economics. It affects all coffee grinders and when it comes to espresso it can be the difference between a perfect shot of espresso and... well, a mess. As we have not touched on it before, we produced a video to run through:

  1. What is grind retention? 
  2. Does it matter?
  3. What do you do about it?
  4. Which grinders are best at each price point?

Regardless of your budget, brew method, or whether you intend to single dose or not, we recommend giving it a watch so that you can pick an espresso grinder that suits your ideal home espresso setup.

Video Text Transcript Below:

Grind retention is a phrase that is often used by coffee enthusiasts when discussing the merits of different grinders. If you’re not familiar, the concept is quite simple: as beans are ground, there are spaces within the burr chamber and chute where particles can rest without being expelled into your portafilter. In many grinders, this is an intentional design element which helps reduce static and maintain flow for consistent dosing.

While there are benefits, there are also drawbacks to grind retention. Grounds retained in the burr chamber will lose freshness, which is an added variable for home baristas who aren’t using their grinder as frequently as a cafe. Secondly, this retention also means that an adjustment in grind size does not have an immediate effect, with some particles from the previous setting making their way into your dose. Both of these issues can be solved by a quick purge before your first shot of the day.

For those that wish to single-dose their beans, some grinders work exceptionally well, however, grind retention can be challenging in certain models.

So, what does this mean for you? Whether you fill your hopper and use timed dosing or single dose your beans incorporating a purge into your routine is invaluable. If you make just a few drinks in the morning then the next day it’s a good idea to do a purge of a few grams, generally just a second or so of grinding with a filled hopper, to flush out some of the stale grounds from yesterday. If you don’t those stale grounds will cause your first shot to be what is scientifically referred to as a “gusher.” The flow through the grounds will be far too quick and your shot will be watery. Generally, if the gap between shots is around 12 hours or less this effect is negligible. The greater a grinder’s retention, the greater the impact so we recommend purging a bit more coffee based on how much retention your grinder has. A grinder with minimal retention will help you marginally reduce waste by reducing the need for a purge.

If you aim to single dose then a grinder’s retention is likely among the greatest determining factors in whether or not it will suit your needs. There is an added factor to consider beyond purging: the more retention a grinder has the more variation in output you’ll see. Generally, these variations peak at one gram and the best remedy is to stick to a consistent routine in order to ensure consistent output.

Grinder Comparison

Let’s compare the retention of a few different grinders. Many tests we’ve seen start with a completely clean grinder and measure the amount of coffee retained after a single dose. This doesn’t represent the amount of grounds that build up in normal use and paints an unrealistically favorable picture. Our goal with measuring retention is to quantify the amount of loose grounds that rest in the grinder in normal use. Whether you’re using timed dosing or single dosing, these grounds are what will impact your shots and therefore influence your routine. We ground 80 grams of coffee through each grinder until no more coffee was dispensed. Then we opened up the burr chamber and swept out all loose grounds and cleared the chute and screen, collecting all those grounds and weighing them. This measurement is what we counted as the grinder’s total retention.

 Under $700
Baratza Sette 270 Eureka Mignon Specialita
< 1 gram 1.3 grams

Small burrs make for small retention. As you can see, the Specialita’s small and neatly designed burr chamber leaves little room for grounds to collect which makes it a very low retention grinder, only ever holding onto about 1.5g of grounds. The Sette 270 in particular, with its conical burrs, has almost zero space to collect grounds thanks to its innovative shape. No burr chamber and an incredibly short vertical chute work wonders, with retention of less than a gram. The Eureka Mignon Specialita is a great example of a low retention flat burr grinder. Its 55mm burrs are on the smaller end of the spectrum, and its impressively compact burr chamber leaves little room for buildup, with only about 1.3g of retention. It works wonders when single dosing - a rare honor for a flat burr grinder.

 $700 - $1100
 Eureka Atom Profitec T64 Eureka Zenith 65E
2 grams 4.5 grams 6.5 grams

This price range contains the bulk of prosumer flat burr grinders. Most of these grinders have relatively large burrs and motors, and are built to produce incredibly consistent grounds, and quickly. These larger burr chambers inevitably make for greater retention, but some designs mitigate that better than others. The Eureka Atom, for instance, has mid-sized 60mm burrs with very little space between the burrs and the wall of the burr chamber. This combined with Eureka’s proprietary forked screen, which causes very little retention, means that despite being quite a bit larger than the first few grinders we looked at it only retains around 2g. Though the Atom does have low retention we don’t recommend it for single dosing. It’s designed with the weight of a full hopper of beans in mind, and some pieces, like the augur, make it far faster with a full hopper but are counterproductive when single dosing. The T64 has 64mm burrs but its burr chamber is also tight-fitting, meaning there’s only a small gap for coffee to collect. Its 4.5-gram retention is a big jump from the smaller grinders mentioned before, but let's compare it to something its own size: the Eureka Zenith. It has 65mm burrs, just slightly larger than the T64, but more importantly, you can see that the gap surrounding its burrs is considerably larger. This key difference is what generates its 6.5-gram retention. In practice, this difference is nominal and entirely manageable with the same purge.

 Greater than $1100
 Eureka Olympus 75E ECM V-Titan Eureka KRE
3.5 grams 4.5 grams 12 grams

This price range contains grinders that are built to handle commercial use and are often built with top-notch materials and attention to detail. Having blazing speed and consistency means that these grinders are not designed with single dosing in mind, and therefore have a good bit of retention. Let’s start with the Eureka Olympus. It has huge 75mm flat burrs, but its burr chamber has the smallest gap between the burrs and the inner walls. Additionally, Eureka’s screen design and the immense torque of the Olympus’ motor made for a surprisingly low retention of 3.5g. As you can see the burr chamber of the V-Titan is also designed to hug fairly tightly around the large 64mm burrs and has 3 paddles, where most grinders have two. This design leaves relatively little space for grinds, so the V-Titan only has about 4.5g of grind retention. The Eureka KRE is unique in that it is one of a select few large conical burr grinders in our lineup. While it's one of our favorite grinders with the hopper full, it retains 12g of coffee making it less than ideal for single dosing. Large burrs such as these require the aforementioned purge, but they also benefit greatly from consistent routine. By ensuring that you grind for approximately the same time and use the same technique with each dose, one can ensure that they get an output within 1 gram of their input.

grind retention eureka mignon grinder

Conclusion

All in all, the extent to which grind retention matters to you depends on your preferred grinding routine, and how often you’re making drinks. For those that wish to single dose choosing a grinder often involves balancing the benefits of larger burrs and motors with their requisite increase in retention. For those that use timed dosing it’s simply a matter of understanding the amount of retention and knowing how much to purge to ensure consistently delicious results. We’ve used every grinder we sell extensively, so if you ever have grind retention questions regarding a specific grinder leave a comment below or give us a call! We’re glad to provide insight.

18 comments

  • i just bought the eureka kre and i like it because it make my coffee test better than my last grinder (eureka 65e). but the problem is grind retention of this machine. it’s 26-27gr. not 12gr. For 26-27gram is the big problem for me.

    pimavach on

  • @Stefan: The Sette 270 was the first grinder we reviewed in the above video. If you have any more questions about that, I’d be happy to help.

    @Billy: Some grinders aren’t able to single dose, because their grind consistency goes down without a weight pressing the beans down. Give us a call or email and we can clarify this and help you find the perfect grinder for your needs.

    @Mark: I’d recommend a Baratza Virtuoso for your drip coffee :-)

    Ben Piff @ Clive on

  • No mention of the Baratza Sette? The low retention is the primary reason that I purchased it.

    Stefan Wrobel on

  • Hi.
    How important a factor is the weight of the beans? How much does that affect the quality of the grind and therefore the shot, together of course with factors as retention, heat, power of motor etc, when singe dosing? Specially as electric grinders are usually designed to work best with a hopper, big or small, full of beans and not by single dosing.

    Thank you,
    Billy

    Billy on

  • Please disregard my previous attempt to post, as I had not yet watched the video and I now see that the Baratza Sette 270 was featured. Thx.

    Steve on

  • Can you please comment on the Baratza Sette 270 I bought from you? Thanks!

    Steve on

  • I currently use a Breville BCG820BSSXL The Smart Grinder Pro Coffee Bean Grinder, Brushed Stainless Steel for my drip coffee and a Jura J6 for my espresso. Would you recommend a better grinder for drop coffee? I am grinding for a Moccamaster coffee machine

    Mark Shaheen on

  • @Toby: The Mazzer Mini is one of the higher retention grinders we sell, and we definitely recommend using it with the hopper full. There are two key factors that produce this retention: Mazzer’s screen design and the taller-than-average burr chamber. Removing or modifying the screen can aid in reducing this but it can also make the grinder a bit messier. As stated in the video, if your shots tend to be inconsistent in the morning try a purge of 5g or so, and go from there!

    Charles on

  • On Mahlkonig grinders: Their grinders, K30 Vario included, have quite a bit of retention due to their combination of large burrs with a large surrounding chamber. They’re designed entirely for commercial use where high retention is not much of an issue due to high volume. The benefits of retention are also greater in commercial use, ensuring a fast and very consistent flow of grounds with each dose. We don’t generally recommend them to home baristas, in part due to retention but further due to the considerably more affordable options with less retention and similar specs. You can even save yourself a few hundred and get the Eureka Olympus in this video which has 75mm burrs! If you want a deeper comparison, get in touch. I know Ben would love this kind of chat.

    Charles on

  • @Doug: A large conical burr grinder like the M7D will require quite a long grind time when single dosing, much like the Eureka KRE discussed in this video. This is because the M7D has a good bit of retention, though not quite as much as the KRE. The first doses were likely quicker due to a percentage of the grounds simply being lost in the burr chamber. I imagine those first doses were also a bit off target.

    When I single dose with the M7D I generally purge around 5g, and would recommend doing so before your first use of the day to be thorough. If you’d like to minimize waste, you can purge a bit less and only experience a marginal difference in shot time, with the usual effects of stale coffee on taste.

    Glad to hear you’re loving your setup!

    Charles on

  • @Gene: The Vario was one of the first flat burr grinders that excelled at single dosing. It has relatively small burrs and a small chamber as well, so retention is pretty minimal. If you experience any inconsistency for your first shot of the day consider a small purge. If not, keep doing what you’re doing!

    Charles on

  • What is the grind retention of the Mini Mazer I purchased from you?

    Thank you,

    Toby

    Toby Garcia on

  • Thanks Charles….. informative as ever!

    Jeff Mundle on

  • I bought a Compak E5 from you guys which I like very much. I notice it has some retention but I don’t know how much. I use the single dose hopper each time I pull a shot. And I purge before each shot is ground.

    So my question is how much retention should I expect.

    Lou Cragin on

  • Grind retention – interesting. Any data on the Mahlkonig grinder? – I’m guessing that it is on the heavy side of the scale.

    Robert S Smith on

  • Good video!

    Can you comment on the K30 Melkhonig, please

    Thanks

    Victor Kareh on

  • Quick grind retention question. Did you look at the Mazur M7D. I like to single dose-usually just one macchiato or two each morning) but suspect at least some grind retention. I also have noted it takes longer than I would have thought to grind 20.5 grams ie 35 to 40 sec for such a robust machine. (initially after purchase it seemed to completely grind that dosage within 10 sec or so. For dealing with grind retention—what amount of beans is good to run through the machine 1 or 2 grams or more ie 4 or 5 gms. Thanks, BTW love my Synchronika and Mazur. Doug

    Robert Cullom on

  • I have a Baratza Vario, purchased from you. I didn’t see it covered in your comparison. I use it for single, timed doses three or four times a day. Suggestions?

    Gene

    Gene Bergoffen on

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